Understanding Initiates
A reader comments: I am a little surprised that this autobiography seemed to paint Steve Jobs in such a good light.
I had read that he was notorious for absolutely humiliating his staff for the slightest misstep and was very difficult to work for.
JJ: Actually, Isaacson painted a whole picture of Jobs warts and all. This is what Steve wanted and gave him full power to write with no power of revision or dictating on his part. Steve said that he probably wouldn’t like parts of the book so he never planned on reading it. Quite a number of times he does come across as a jerk, but no sooner does that happen then you start to like him again and wish you could have met him.
The author does point out how difficult Steve was to work for but also notes how dedicated employees were to him and how many were willing to sacrifice anything to share in the achievements of the work. I liked one section where Isaacson compared Steve Jobs to Moses in the eyes of his admirers.
Question: If he was entering his 3rd initiation experience, then this was happening as he physically died?
JJ It would mean he entered the threshold of the Angel of the Presence as he was crossing over.
Question: Does this mean that the Dweller was the cancer/disease that was killing him,
JJ The Dweller could have aggravated the cancer, but the cancer was not the dweller.
Question: Then as he started to pass over, he chose the Angel of the Presence and hence got to pass his 3rd initiation? At death, how would he choose between the Dweller or the Angel?
JJ: No one chooses the Dweller though you make choices that give the Dweller more power.. Why would you choose something that is trying to destroy you? You do, however, accept or reject the Angel of the Presence and whatever it was that Steve encountered at death he seemed to embrace it.
More often than not the initiations are acknowledged, consummated and understood between lives. When initiations are relived in a certain life this usually happens on the physical plane. All the growth and advancement to achieve initiation must be achieved in the physical. Often (but not always) the actual initiation happens between lives.
Question: Did Steve Jobs have control and master his emotions in order to pass the 2nd initiation before doing the third?
JJ If he passed the second then he did master his emotions but let me clarify what that means.
First, it does not mean that the initiate is like Spock who has little or no emotion. The initiate will have more powerful emotions than average because all the petals in his sacral center will be unfolded.
The initiate may very well express strong emotion from time to time but the emotion expressed is regulated and decided upon mentally. The most important thing a second degree or higher will do is not make important decisions based on emotion but upon what makes sense from rational or intuitive thinking.
A reader implied that I was portraying Jobs as very righteous, almost like a saint.
My point was that initiates are far from perfect especially as far as the personality goes and that was an accurate response
My comments on the possible initiate status of some is a million miles from Crèmes. Crème claims to have received his information directly from Christ and I make no such claim to authority but am making an educated guess.
The reason I talked about the possible initiate status of Jobs wasn’t to show my cleverness but to give readers a better idea of what an initiate is and the range of people that fit into this category. Many people think of an initiate as a very good or holy person who exudes love all the time and I wanted to make sure readers understand that many do not come across this way.
Reader Comment: I can identify much more readily with his technical partner Steve Wozniak. Always two there are: one who is the front man, and the one who works behind the scenes and makes things happen.
JJ: Steve collaborated with Wozniak mainly at the beginning. There were many innovations from Apple that Wozniak did not participate in. Wozniak was smart, but he had little inclination to take any steps to initiate anything. If Steve did not have Wozniak available, he would have found someone else, but any engineer looking for another Jobs would still be looking.
Question: This whole thread on what is an initiate got me rethinking on the subject of disciple and initiate. So, to understand correctly, an initiate is necessarily a disciple but not the other way around?
JJ: Actually, it is the other way around. A truly committed disciple is one who is near or passed the third initiation and all of them are initiates to some degree. DK identifies seekers who are not disciples as aspirants.
DK told us back in the 1920s there were only a little over 300 disciples on the entire planet. One can only guess how many there are today but it would not be a large number.
There are a lot of initiates who are not disciples and do not consider themselves being on a spiritual path. What many of these do not realize is that all work that helps humanity evolve and progress is spiritual. There are initiates in science, education, sports, politics and various endeavors not normally seen as spiritual.
Question: Is it correct to say that an initiate will be a disciple first and foremost before getting to the stage where he or she actually initiates something?
JJ The first thing on an initiates mind is “What can I do to improve the world or the human condition?”
Question: And does an initiate always have to turn out to be a ”popular person” in the press or worldwide?
JJ: Good question. It may seem so because when people try and identify initiates usually famous people are named. The reason for this is that initiates that are not famous are generally not known to us and there is no way to name them.
Higher initiates usually make significant accomplishments that garners then some degree of public recognition, but many first and second degree initiates are unknown outside of their circle of associates. Many of these are initiating things that does not change the world but does create positive change and improves peoples’ lives. Some join with other initiates to work on a group endeavor. For instance, I’m sure there were a number of initiates who worked with Steve Jobs.
Reader Comment: I read something not long ago from DK stating that there will also be times where initiates must act behind the stage so to speak and without receiving all that recognition attention i.e.: like Steve Jobs did.
JJ: This will sometimes be the case. If a person initiates by working behind the scenes and is truly responsible for creating constructive change then he is of course initiating.
Question: And speaking about initiates, how may are there on earth at the present moment? I imagine there can’t be that many since it is a demanding endeavor and a lot of times there must be failures too.
JJ I’d say that there are millions who have passed the first initiation, hundreds of thousands who have passed the second, under 1000 who have passed the third and under 50 in mortality who have passed the fourth.
He is not an honest man who has burned his tongue and does not tell the company that the soup is hot. – Yugoslav proverb
Nov 29, 2011
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